Port Fairy kitetraction series rnd 4?

[Gav]

Has anyone got any info on how the Victorian Kitetraction series round 4 went in Port Fairy?

Gav

[kaboom]

Ok well the race was orignally meant to be at East beach but we didnt like the winds there so we checked out the winds at anouther one or two beachs and decided that the those locations wernt any good.

We finally called it off and went to South Beach and mucked around. hummm thats about it in a nutshell

[nigel]

The wind was a lovely 10-15 knot WSW.
Pity the beaches there point S to SE. :(
I think with some better planning there should have been a race.
That beach that you wanted to try out Gav, the Nelson beach is only an hours drive from Port Fairy and it points SW, think how much fun that would have been with the WSW wind!!!!!!!!
We tried East beach and only the last 200-300 metres was usable given the angle of the wind. We also tried the "Cutting" beach, but this proved to be the softest that any of the locals had ever seen it. Pity, I had big tyres :)
It was a waste of time for anyone that came down just for the race.

Nigel

[tim]

The wind was a lovely 10-15 knot WSW.
Pity the beaches there point S to SE. :(
I think with some better planning there should have been a race.

Nigel with some better planning perhaps you would like to run some races yourself rather than bagging those that put on your sport !!!

That beach that you wanted to try out Gav, the Nelson beach is only an hours drive from Port Fairy and it points SW, think how much fun that would have been with the WSW wind!!!!!!!!

If you think the cutting beach is soft Nelson is worse !!!

We tried East beach and only the last 200-300 metres was usable given the angle of the wind. We also tried the "Cutting" beach, but this proved to be the softest that any of the locals had ever seen it. Pity, I had big tyres :)
It was a waste of time for anyone that came down just for the race.

As to a waste of time that sort of bullshit is just that, BULLSHIT.

Nigel

Tim

It is really easy to sit back and bag someone or something but to actually do something about it takes time and effort. I am sure the Geelong Club would welcome your assistance in arranging next year.

[bronwyn]

Well i dont know about anyone else...but i had a good time without the wind blowing onshore for the race at east beach. it's a pity some people had to be sooky little cows...and cry because the wind sucked?!!?!

It's a real pity that the people that were very willing to have a whinge about the organising and wind direction...weren't very willing to go out and find a better site for everyone to hold the race at!!!!

Maybe you'd be better off sitting at home finishing off your Mum's knitting...you girl!!! :D

[kaboom]

Well I rekon it was a great day :D , true the winds wernt good enough for a race but there were good enough for me to go up and back with my tiny kites so everyone else must have been able to do somthing in those conditions.

The wernt ideal but hey winds are never ideal just make do.

[blackprince]

I want to join the girls. There aren't enough!

We need something to do at slack times.

When are the Knitting classes on?

[nigel]

Well Black Prince you can catch the head knitter at Elwood on almost every Saturday and Sunday, in any wind direction.

Tim and Bronwyn, I will not have a YARN to you until you calm down.
Bronwyn, please note the first line I wrote. Telling me I had a problem with the wind???? You leave me in STICHES.

(knitting jokes in capital) :D

Nigel
He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!!!

[Internerd]

Planning? What planning? How can you plan to a wind where there are (unfortunately) no local places that work in that direction to run a race apart from tiny footy fields? If you had done some planning yourself you'd realize Nelson is 1.5 hours away and is soft as BUGGERY. Course you wouldn't care cause you've got your fat wheels. The only sensible decision was made on the day to be fair to all buggiers competing, not favouring those with fat tyres. Anyway, WARREN CROWE would have kicked your arse anyway, even though he flies kites which aren't as good as the MIGHTY QUADS!
Get that huge helmet out of your arse and just BUGGY dude. Everyone had a good time and atleast there was wind and you weren't just sitting around scratching your hairy, wormy little butt.
Port Fairy is kite heaven. Clean, beautiful, open, loads of spots to go and plenty of European backpacker chicks to keep it interesting after dark. Just ask Dave E about da ladies.........I hear Crowey has had a bit of attention lately too.......must be something about sposored kitesurfers who fly inferior kites (North rule......) and do radical 360's..........Peas Out
ONE LARGE

[bronwyn]

Not a matter of calming down Nigel. More a matter of you threw shit my way so expect some back !!!!!

Well Black Prince you can catch the head knitter at Elwood on almost every Saturday and Sunday, in any wind direction.

Tim and Bronwyn, I will not have a YARN to you until you calm down.
Bronwyn, please note the first line I wrote. Telling me I had a problem with the wind???? You leave me in STICHES.

(knitting jokes in capital) :D

Nigel
He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!!!

[kaboom]

LOL :lol: this is hilarious, keep going people soon you guys could be on Jerry Springer, "When good kites go Bad" or maybe "When good kites Luff"

[The Duke]

To be fair on all those who travel far and wide to follow this crazy sport of ours, I think all beach events should offer some sort of alternative for bad wind conditions.

Lets face it people......unhappy buggyers don't come back, and this my friends is what kills competition and the fun of the sport.

WE ARE ALL IN THIS TO HAVE FUN..........LETS DO IT

[schultzie]

well i am back from my holidays and just reading through the thread i can see that you have all been busy litttle boys and girls, i agree with dukey there needs to be an alternate location for the beach events, eg, sandy point we can use the plain at shallow inlet or even the carpark at low tide. that is what i said the whole day when we were there last. but everyone else wanted to run on the beach, people may also say that there is a lack of room but that just makes it challenging. my parents came from sandy point and then drove me to port fairy to find that the winds were not in a favourable direction. my self i was pissed off, we could have used the last 200meters of east beach,
we also need to look at the tides for beach events low tide was at 10:00 and that is when we were having a "poilets" meeting when we should have been at the beach flying. by about 2:00 i was getting really frustrated because all we were doing was driving from location to location, and then there was no race.

at least i got to chill out by going kite surfing, but then again i could have been at sany point doing that as well. i am not having a go at any one because i understand what it would take to organise an event. i would hold an event at my local spot but it is a bit small and the winds are usually ghusty, but if i told every one to be at the location by 10 and that we would start racing by 11:30 that is when i would start racers or no racers, as you all know i am not 18 yet so i rely on my parents to give up their time and take me to the events so that i can have fun, and with the little time we have driving 6hours just to go kite surfing for 3hours i belive is a bit un fair on them. as you all know the last sandy point race was cancelled but we were all still able to go kite flying and do our buggyng and such. (this post is bloddy long isnt it)

to brownin and tim and that dark prince, welcome to the Extreme kites forum, here we are all just voicing our oppinion and that last thing we want is to cause conflict, we are all just so good friends here and i would hate to turn up to the next event and not be able to talk to any one, pleace dont get narly, but i do none the less see where nigle was coming from.

PS my last week at sandy point has been a blast and all i ahve been doing is buggying and mountainboarding and kite surfing, in my buggy i got a max speed of 92kmh man that 460 arc pulls like a truck (thanks tim), hope to catch up with you all soon.

[nigel]

Well spoken Justin!!!


92kph!!!! SWEET!!!!!!!! :D

Nigel

[schultzie]

Hey all just reading through my last post and have fixed up a bit of the puncuation and i am sorry for the spelling, mm the 460 is fun a lot of fun.

[nigel]

All right lets see.
I shall go over my first post and explain to you all, the post in clear and
simple words. This way people will not not jump to false ideas about me or
the time I spent at Port Fairy.

"The wind was a lovely 10-15 knot WSW."
Here I talk about the wind and the direction. I state that it was a lovely
wind, so I must not have had a problem with it.
As for the dirrection, I am not mother nature and I can not change it at
will. So I must accept the direction.
A WSW is generally quite smooth and of good consistancy, in my experience.

"Pity the beaches there point S to SE."
Again I am not the creator of this world, and so must accept the geography
for what we have been given.

"I think that with some better planning there should have been a race."
Not all locations can be used with the wind from all directions, so it would
make sence to have several other ones lined up if the favoured one can not
be used. The same thing happened at Sandy Point.

"That beach you wanted to try out Gav, the Nelson beach is only an hours
drive from Port Fairy and it points SW, think how much fun it would have
been with the WSW wind!!!"
This message was for Gav. He posted the question about the beach on the 17th
of December on this forum. The only responce that this forum had was from
Powerjunky03 or better known as Warren Crowe.
He had been there and I will quote "the beach at Nelson is hard and long".
At the time this original post was made this was the only information that
had been posted and by all accounts sounds very promising for a buggy run.
That was the reason I posted the comment about Nelson beach.
As for the ammount of time it takes to get to Port Fairy, I took a guess
after looking at a satellite photo of the area. I have since been informed
that this was incorrect, and will from now on add the word "about" infront
of any times I quote.
I thank others for their input on the beach at Nelson, but we have one for
hard sand and two for soft. Not enough to make a call about it. Another
place to go and have a look at next time some of us get down that way????

"We tried East beach and only the last 200-300 metres was usable given the
angle of the wind."
We have before run events in area less than this for our buggying.
The last race at Altona, if you look at the area we used, was only about as
big as a foot ball oval.

"We also tried the "Cutting" beach, but this proved to be the softest any of
the locals had ever seen it."
As too how soft the sand was, Tim had to drive his 4wd on the hard sand near
the waters edge. This nearly resulted in Tim saying good bye to his trusty
steed when water washed up on the distributer and ground the 4wd to a holt.
But with good luck it started very soon, and before the sea claimed another
victim.

"Pity, I had big tyres"
I draw you attention to the race that was held on the 15th of September
2002.
This race was at Sandy point. We were on the sand spit where the sand was
very soft at times.
We all floundered around in the soft sand except for Phil from SA who had
some wonderful big foot tyres that made us look like fish out of water.
I had decided a while ago that I too wanted some big tyres, so I would not
look like a dead whale on the beach again.
There are other buggyiers who also have bigger than standard tyres who also
would have an advantage over others with their standard wheels in the sand.
If this leads to being an unfair advantage, then what might be required is
that a store or company puts up 4 or 5 kites of the same size, with matching
buggies as well, and with pilots carrying weight to match the weight of the
heaviest buggyier.
That way no one will have an unfair advantage.
We all use different kites, buggies and tyres so there is no fairness in the
racing at the moment.
The only option is that we move to restrict the use of various items, tyres,
weights????
Is this an Open Series where there is no limit on items you can use???
Or do we have more sections to seperate one buggier from another.
This will have to be disscussed amongst ourselfs for future series.

"It was a waste of time for anyone that came down just for the race."
If you have travelled many miles to come to an event, you would hope to be
able to race.
We had good wind, and we had an area to buggy.
While not the largest of areas, IF you drove many hours just for the race
then it was cancelled, I think you would be pissed off too.
There are, and were other reasons why you might have still had a good time.
The people, the weather, and even the News Years activities.
While I did not get out my buggy, I did fly other peoples kites (many
thanks) and help teach some new tricks to some novices.
I did take some great photos of Ross in his buggy, and will once scanned,
put them up for all to see.

I hope that the people who have added invisible words in between my lines
read and re-read this responce before you make yourself look foolish.
I welcome your comments, good or bad.
It was not my intention to agravate, but to bring to the fore problems that
I have seen with the current and past series.
Thank you for you time to read this long and demanding post.

Nigel

[kaboom]

Well explained but what you mentioned about having races divided into classes based on equipment I dont think would happen for a very very long while. Not even kitesurfing (i think) does that and they have enough competitors to have state and national titles

[nigel]

Yes you are right Gus.
We do not have enough entries to further split the racing up.
In the UK they have one division of buggiers, with the rule that all use wheel barrow wheels.
This is to reduce costs for beginers, and not having to compete against the factory riders with their super duper buggies and expensive wheels.
This could be the rule that we might follow if there is support for it.
No more, I would have won if you did not have those tyres.
Again, more ideas and thoughts required.

Nigel

[The Duke]

Well said Nigel, and a very well thought out response too, I tend to agree with most points too, and to add only one other point to your argument, I believe the only reasons to cancel a race should be NO WIND, or NATURAL DISSASTER. ( ie flooded buggy field like Belmont when it was better suited to surfing :lol:)

As for the advantage of buggy parts, weight, or kites, I don't think you will ever remove these problems from "OPEN CLASS" racing as there would then be no advance in the sport at all.
That is what "INTERMEDIATE", and "RESTRICTED" classes are for.

Anyway, as the saying goes....IF YOU CAN"T BEAT 'EM, JOIN 'EM..........

If you wish to win at any cost build a better buggy to suit different terrain, buy a bigger kite, learn better tecnique, or just plod along like the rest of us mere mortals and stick it up the pro's when ya beat em....................

[gath]

:idea: Hey, nice work Nigel did you stay awake all night worrying about ?

I like the sound of a handicap system. Maybe "inverse weight for age" would suit me. Or what about something a la Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race, to give the amateurs a chance.

[nigel]

Thanks Bob,
No I did not lose any sleep over it.
As for the inverse weight for age idea, I have just weighed my Libre with the big tyres and it comes in at 54kg. I weigh in at 63kg!!!
Not good, as I am looking at going to the U.A.E. with the buggy.
Excess baggage charge is $36.51 per kilo from Emirates.
Now I know the reason why I tend to leave the buggy behind when it gusts. Also why I could not get it up on two wheels on the Birdsville track, yet I did manage to flip it!!???
The normal weight of the buggy with the 20 inch wheels is 33 kg.
See you all Sunday, forcast looks great!!!!

Nigel

[schultzie]

in all honesty we just want to keep it fun, last year i was serious about the racing, but now i dont care if i came first or last, but i do want to beet goshen if i can..(trying not to contradict my self) interesting to see that there hasnt been any replys for tim and co non the less. it is all good though....

Jusitn