Born-Kite LongStar 2

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Version 2 of the Born-Kite LongStar has just been released...

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Judging by the pictures - which is always a dangerous thing to do - it looks very promising.  aa LS2 2.png

Starting at 289 Euro for the 3.5m it's also available in a 5.5m and 7.5m.  The original Long Stars had enormous low end power and a really eye catching design - I'll be really interested to see how these go.  More info here:  http://www.venturi-power.de/index.php?cat=c24_Long-Star--2--LongStar.html  Also, it looks like the Born Kite site has had a bit of a makeover.

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Stay tuned for more info:grin:

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Looks like a more 'standard' single skin design. Hope they work better than the MK1 longstars. Ill wait for reviews before committing this time.

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5 minutes ago, andy666 said:

Was the original longstar a depower?

Yes... kinda. Front edge depower same as the NS2 and NS3. The nose gets pulled in rather than what looks to be the LS2's more traditional AoA change.

Hope they work, i love Born-Kite NS2's but the longstar 1's have languished unflown apart from a couple of very unsatisfactory sessions.

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8 hours ago, BigTone said:

Yes... kinda. Front edge depower same as the NS2 and NS3. The nose gets pulled in rather than what looks to be the LS2's more traditional AoA change.

Hope they work, i love Born-Kite NS2's but the longstar 1's have languished unflown apart from a couple of very unsatisfactory sessions.

I know what you mean.  I too was an early adopter with the V-1.0 of the LongStar, having loved my NS3s.  I never liked the reverse bar action of the LS1, tried to rig them with four lines and z-bridling but remained frustrated.  I eventually sold them down river (with full disclosure) for pennies on the dollar.

I'm intrigued by the early peek at the LS2 but have decided to not be first in line this time.  I fondly await John's reviews and videos and will regroup after seeing them and (hopefully) hearing about things from other brave souls.  I want these to be good kites and I want Steffen and Kerstin to be successful; I'm just not jumping first this time.

Thing is, I'm also a very happy owner of a full quiver of Flysurfer Peak-2s.  Just from the short amount of video I've seen so far these 3.5, 5.5, and 7.5m LS2s don't appear to fill a space in my quiver not already grandly covered by my 4 and 6m P2s, affectionately referred to as the cheeseburger wrapper and little burger.  I love those kites!

We'll just have to see!  :goplay:

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10 hours ago, windstruck said:

Less we forget, the NINOX is apparently waiting in the wings with 9m of SS fury:

https://monjetkiteboarding.com/ninox.html

:dance3:

Looks similar to the UFO from Airdesign.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC68Ll1jA2iMx684AIPwceDw?spfreload=10

It is also a hybrid kite with RAM-AIR-STRUTS.

It would be interesting to compare the Longstar 2 with the peak 2. They are the classic singleskin kites.

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1 hour ago, speed rider said:

It would be interesting to compare the Longstar 2 with the peak 2. They are the classic singleskin kites.

Agreed - the Peak2 and LongStar2 seem the most analogous at first blush. Time doesn't stand still of course, and the word on the street is that we are weeks to a few short months from the release of the Peak3. I know from a reliable source (a Flysurfer dealer) that it is around the corner, but no details on design refinements.  Hope springs eternal and I for one am hoping the P3 quiver gets expanded even larger than the current 4, 6, 9, 12m sizes up to a 15 or 16m. Assuming things are in good order with the evolution I would seriously consider picking up a HUGE Peak3 to complement my full quiver of P2s. 🤒

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7 minutes ago, windstruck said:

I for one am hoping the P3 quiver gets expanded even larger than the current 4, 6, 9, 12m sizes up to a 15 or 16m. 

Not happening :dontmentionit:

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6 minutes ago, .Joel said:

Not happening :dontmentionit:

Well that's depressing... :cray:

You have that on authority or just speculation?  Any knowledge on what makes it a V-3.0 other than stenciling?

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2 minutes ago, windstruck said:

Well that's depressing... :cray:

You have that on authority or just speculation?

New colours are nice :dirol: 
 

2 minutes ago, windstruck said:

Any knowledge on what makes it a V-3.0 other than stenciling?

Upgrades :D  Why don't you start a Peak3 discussion instead? :declare:

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26 minutes ago, .Joel said:

New colours are nice :dirol: 
 

Upgrades :D  Why don't you start a Peak3 discussion instead? :declare:

I know, I know, sorry for the hijack.  Back to the regularly scheduled program.:stop:

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Only guessing, but I'll be willing to bet the longstar 2 is a very different kite from the peak 2.  Depower/power from the video looked very different from a peak.  We won't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing until @jhn.holgate gets it in his hands.  I'm glad it's unique and not a peak knock off.  I like steffen's originality on designs even if he's had a stinker or 2. :Born-kite-monster:

It does look incredibly maneuverable from the videos.

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I emailed Steffen with some questions about the LS2s design and performance.  He replied earlier today, so straight from the horse's mouth:

The pulley system is now in the kite and the depower function works according to the following principle:

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The safety is provided by a lateral safety line on the front line.
Just as it is practiced with two lines kites.


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The LongStar-2 flies amazingly stable, it is a huge difference to the LongStar-1.
It also flies significantly different than the peak 2.

A comparative to other kites should not be made by the manufacturer. For this reason, I sent a test kite to John Holgate. He is competent and will certainly make an objective judgment.

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I asked Jens (Kite & Friends) how he found the LongStar 2 as far as speed and upwind ability goes and his reply was... 

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Our first tests showed high speed and thanks to the effective Depower good upwind properties.

 

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1 hour ago, jhn.holgate said:

@windstruck - I"ve just got a bunch of code where your images are.  Anyone else see that?  I'll try copying the facebook image...

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@jhn.holgate - I think its a PC versus mac device thing.  I see what I intend to see on my PC but not on my iPad.  The three pictures you are showing here are three of four I'm trying to show.  I will post the final one that shows how the 5th safety line works...

The safety is provided by a lateral safety line on the front line.
Just as it is practiced with two lines kites.

 

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Looks like it shows up properly on both platforms.  Thanks for your help John!

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Now that's an interesting size to me. Given the experience of many who bought the original longstar, I'll wait for your thoughts on the 5m before committing.

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Here's a pic from a German magazine that did an interview with Steffen - an early photo of the 'Ultra Star' in 3 sizes.  Looks uncannily similar to the Long Star 2.......

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1 hour ago, jhn.holgate said:

Here's a pic from a German magazine that did an interview with Steffen - an early photo of the 'Ultra Star' in 3 sizes.  Looks uncannily similar to the Long Star 2.......

Ultrastar 2.jpg

I'm with you on this one John, the LS2 seems to be what became of the fabled UltraStar.  Looking forward to your review.  Merry Christmas!

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