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  • SoutherlyBuster Peter Lynn Charger 10M Review


    Improved bar system, low bar pressure and fast turning. 

    Positives
    Low Bar Pressure
    Improved Bar System
    More Adjustment Options
    Negatives / Considerations
    Bar Texture Can Slip When Wet
    Clamcleat Opposed to Trim Strap

    I had a chance to try out the new Peter Lynn Charger 10m^2 for both land boarding and kite boarding. I mostly fly my Peter Lynn Venom II 13m^2 and when the wind is high swap over to my Peter Lynn Synergy 8m^2, so I felt at home with the Charger and the updates were a pleasant surprise. My comments come straight from my kiting log book.

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    7 Feb 2010 Ride
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    Land boarding session in light winds, 8 to 10 knots, sea breeze.

    Kite construction: well made, they have addressed the weak points of the Synergy.

    The air inlets at the wing tips, the zippered ones, these keep open much better when left unattended versus the Venom II, they don't collapse and close up in light winds.

    Due to the smaller trailing edge internal rib gauze between the wing tip and wing tip zipper, I could not inflate the wing tip by opening the down wind zip as one can with the Venom II. This was not a problem though as even when not fully inflated in light winds the kite was still launchable. So the launchability has improved significantly since the Venom II's.

    Navigator bar: excellent design, such a big improvement on the previous release. I could easily flag out the kite by letting the bar run out, let the kite land, pull the flagging line to retrieve the bar and re launch the kite (without having to unstrap and going to the kite). The bar is smoother and not as rough on the hands. The chicken loop can not accidentally come out or unhook, is very easy to reset once released. The bar did feel heavier than the previous models. The safety leash is a big improvement, will not coil and twist up any more, disengagement is effective and quick if you need to release it, this was not possible on the previous release.

    The kite performance is a slight improvement on the Synergy but a big improvement on the Venom II. It turns very fast versus the Venom II even in light winds. Power delivery is smoother than the Synergy. Landing worked well, the land assist tabs work much better than on previous models. Kite bag is the same as the Synergy, is the usual dual bag of small if kite wing tip batons are removed from the kite or extendable if batons left in the kite. Wing tip batons have not changed and still have the poor end cap rubbers which can fail upon kite crashes, ie intersection of rubber cylindrical wall and top cap get torn/cut from the Aluminium tube. (I replace mine with Bunnings chair leg end caps, not a problem since.)

    The bar centre hole has improved by the addition of a stainless steel sheath but still requires improvement as there were some rough edges.

    13 February 2010 Ride
    =====================

    Kite boarding session on the water, medium wind strength, 15-16 knots onshore sea breeze.

    GPS readings: 10m^2 Charger: 35 km/hr, 13m^2 Venom II 39.2 km/hr. This indicates trialing a 12m^2 Charger would have been a better comparison to my Venom II 13m^2.

     

    Now for the comments of the Charger ....

    Very smooth power delivery of the Charger, in comparison to my 8m^2 Synergy which is more like a "terrier" (but I like it that way).

    Charger has a very fast turning speed, very much faster than the Venom II 13m^2, and a bit faster than the Synergy 8m^2.

    I was a bit under powered for the water action at 15 knots average wind speed, therefore would not consider the 10m^2 Charger as an all round kite size for land and water like the Venom II 13m^2. So I would be inclined to go for either the 12 or 16m^2 Charger as the all rounder kite and use the smaller Chargers for high wind days.

    The soft covering on the bar was comfortable and felt solid on the land when the bar was dry, but when wet it felt a bit too slippery. My hands did not slip off though, perhaps something to get used to.

    The Cleat Trim System: personally I don't like it, I prefer the older strap system. The cleat system felt fiddly and difficult to set when out on the water and riding at the same time.

    The kite performed well on all fronts for upwind, cross wind and down wind.

    Because of the fast turning capability, kite loops will be easier and have to watch out for accidental kite loops as did happen during that session.

    I did not test the water re launch capability, it just kept in the air so nicely, had no need for water re launch.

    The bar pressure was light. This is considered a major improvement versus the Venom II 13m^2 along with turning speed. That is both light for pulling in the bar and for turning.

    The bar floaties length has been shortened which makes for a neater system during packup/winding in the lines.

    Again noticed the heavier bar/leash system, but suspect most of the weight increase was due to the leash. The leash was substantially longer, so it could be easily placed on your harness side if you wish rather than right next to the chicken loop hook. As noted during the land session, the new leash was great, no more twisting of the leash around the floaties as on the Venom II.

    There are now more adjustments possible on the Charger versus the Venom II and Synergies. I only tried out the one setting. The setting I used was:

    * Internal straps: default middle setting.
    * Front line knots: middle.
    * Rear line knots: fully out.

    Tips on which setting to use were given in the manual, but as before you need to 'play' with the settings to get what you want.

     

    Final remarks:
    Best improvements versus the Venom II:
    Faster turning.
    Low bar pressure.
    Improved bar system.

    Regards,

    Norman.



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    Kamikuza

    Posted

    Good review :good:

    ... what did you think were the weak points in the construction of the Synergy?

    Is the Navigator bar worth spending $500 on to buy on it's own?

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    SoutherlyBuster

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    Good review :good:

    ... what did you think were the weak points in the construction of the Synergy?

    Is the Navigator bar worth spending $500 on to buy on it's own?

    Kanikuza,

    The weak points are the sleaves in the ribs where the straps go through. The straps are supposed to be able to slide freely through the ribs at certain locations. The do slide freely but there is no proper sleave to prevent the strap from cutting away at the seam. So eventually the thread gets cut until one day it starts to peel open, then if you don't spot it early enough the seam splits all the way down the chord wise length of the kite like it did with me.

    I then sewed in a sleave that the strap can slide against and not cut away at the seam. So far this fix has worked.

    In general the Charger has had the weak points re-inforced. To be honest, I don't remember what improvements were done on the Charger around the strap sleaves, it's been too long since I had a peak. It's also possible that the stress distribution in the Charger has changed so the straps do not have a tendancy to saw away at the slide sleaves.

    If you are worried about this, just open up the zips on the demo Charger and have a peak at the straps and where they pass through the ribs and examine for threads coming loose or wear.

    If you are interested in doing such a strap sleave modification, let me know and I will post up some pics.

    Let's put it this way, once funds permit, I will be upgrading my Venom II 13m^2 with a Charger 12m^2.

    Oh before I forget. The Navigator bar. If you want a sivelling bar, then you might as well then get the Nav Bar. For me I'm holding out until I get a Charger. But then on the other hand all it may need is a chicken loop up date for the swivel action.

    Regards,

    Norman.

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    Kamikuza

    Posted

    Hmm interesting ... I've got 12, 15 and 19m Synergys :D but due to a lard arse, it looks like the 19m will be my go to kite.

    The Zero7 bar is ok but the leash annoys the heck out of me - thinking of DIYing a long throw with the Nav CL & depower line & safety ... but still thinking about it ...

    Thanks!

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    Bartiebat

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    Hiya.

    I have the 10m, 12m & 15m Charger. I also still have a 10m, 13m & 19m V2.

    My personal opinion is the 10m doesn't really come into it's own for freestyle until the wind is above @23mph,preferably more, but it is an amzing buggy engine for fast runs & playing about anything above 15mph if freestyle's not your thing. The 12m is my 80% kite. I love it so much! It's fast & light, has explosive pop & fabulous hang time. It bombs upwind on the water (a problem I had with the V2s) & just really does everything I want it to. We had a pretty lousy start of the year with an awful lot of marginal days so have been able to play with the 15m a lot too. I love the 15m, I never really got along with the 16m V2, it just had too much bar pressure. I've had my most insane buggy jumps on the 15m Charger, but I just prefer to chuck my kites around more so personal riding style usually makes me pick the 12m up first. The bottom end of the 15m Charger totally kicks the bottom end of the 19m V2 - I've packed the 19m up a few times this year because it wouldn't stay in the sky & stayed out the the 15m Charger instead.

    The Navbar really makes it. I was a much bigger fan of the zero4 bar than the zero7, especially after chasing my kites across the beach & the sand dunes a few times when the zero used to release itself! I had the 10m Charger before I had the Navbar & the new bar totally transformed this kite. The Y line system stops it flattening out in low wind like the Syns do, it also seems to stop it bow tie-ing - or at least when it threatens it, as long as your down wind of the kite it sets itself right. The safety is much safer, the chicken loop much more solid, and it's much easier to reset the kite after you've released it so you don't have to go through the painstaking task of setting all the lines up again. I hated the clam cleat at first and wanted to take it out & put the pull pull back in instead. But now I actually find I use the power much more & constantly adjust it on the fly which I never used to do & never thopught I wanted to do. Also there's a stopper ball that you can adjust on the fly to bring the bar in closer - really handy for a short armed girly like me especially when I'm getting tired on the water! But perhaps one of the things I like the most is the ability to shorten the lines by 3m by just taking the extentions off and having almost a kite size down that feels really nice. I only took my 12m on holiday snowkiting & therefore had 2 kites for the weight of one which worked a treat :)

    Things I don't like - the clam cleat rope is too long for me - I keep getting it caught around the bar when I'm fully depowered so have had to wind it back through the loop.

    The end caps on the spars - why is it so difficult to fix these things?! All of mine have come off & currently have tape around them.

    Such a massive fan of these, hubby has just bought another 12m because we keep fighting over this size; afraid the 13m & 19m V2 has to go which is a shame because the 13m was pretty special for a while there! If you can try one, particularly the 12m do - it kicks the pants of the Synergy! :)

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    nigel

    Posted

    Good review there Bartie.

    But I'm waiting for the Scorpion replacement.

    The scorpion was the last of the human hand made kites, and the charger is the second off the computer.

    So I wait for the speed increase of the next high apect beast.

    Unless they make the Vapor with the AP foil bridle. :D

    Good to see that a short armed person can use the new bar, I have modded all my QR's as I want the kite in real close in the buggy.

    I too don't like the idea of the clam cleat, but might come around once I use it for a while.

    I often adjusted the trim strap in changing wind conditions when well powered up in the buggy, mainly so I could stay in the buggy. :eek:

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    Kamikuza

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    Thanks for that!

    I've been out on the water twice with the Syn 19m now, one great day and one hard work day ... low wind season ATM but I do love it! Not a park'n'ride kite in those winds though :( but damned fast and easy to handle!

    I put my harness-attached leash onto the suicide d-ring in the chicken loop ... had my Phantom got floating down the beach with me running after it when that damned red hat (now inverted) released after a butterfly breathed on it ...!

    Anyone got a cheap source for the Nav bar? I refuse to pay $500 for a bar and line set ... just in case it's better :lol:

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    SoutherlyBuster

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    Thanks for that!

    I've been out on the water twice with the Syn 19m now, one great day and one hard work day ... low wind season ATM but I do love it! Not a park'n'ride kite in those winds though :( but damned fast and easy to handle!

    I put my harness-attached leash onto the suicide d-ring in the chicken loop ... had my Phantom got floating down the beach with me running after it when that damned red hat (now inverted) released after a butterfly breathed on it ...!

    Anyone got a cheap source for the Nav bar? I refuse to pay $500 for a bar and line set ... just in case it's better :lol:

    I think it's called a safety leash .... :D . I put this one before I even hook up. Yes I know what you mean regarding the red knob, does not take much to pull it and have the lines release.

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    max_

    Posted

    got the charger this arve . . .

    have only checked out the bar and lines . . . and got the lines even as they were out by a bit . . . . Luckily Goz had suggested that they needed checking . . .

    everything looks very well put together and functional . . . the lines are thick and solid looking . . . but obviously prone to stretching from maybe one sided favoritism when it comes to jumping or looping . . .

    now assuming that i have not missed something . . .

    here is my only criticism of the setup . . . . no real way of adjusting the rears to compensate for uneven stretch . . . can be easily remedied though if they change the way the rear lines link at the bar near the floats . . .

    as for the front lines.. . . similar problem with regard to adjusting but again can be easily fixed . . .

    will write more when i get to look at the kite . . . . and fly it . . .

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    SoutherlyBuster

    Posted

    Hi Max,

    How much difference between the line length?

    Norman.

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    Goz

    Posted

    Enough that it felt completley wrong when I was flying it last weekend, I would guess a good couple of inches Norman.

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    max_

    Posted

    i finally got the charger out in what would've been 15 with some better gusts . . .

    i must say it needed a bit more wind to perform . . . i am 87 kg . . .

    coming from the pump up C and SLE type kites, i must say what a pleasure it was to walk down, roll it out, open the zipper, set up the lines, close the zipper . . . show the far wingtip a bit of wind and launch . . . too easy . . . jerk the front lines to get it up to zenith if the wind is light . . . this thing flies in almost nothing . . .

    it will fly right above you . . . puts you on edge but all is safe . . . it just floats back . .

    the charger is quite fast and reactive to bar inputs but it didn't seem that easy to keep it locked in one place . . . the bow style kites tend to favour the water when placed on the edge of the window . . . a contrast to riding the charger that wants to auto zenith . . . like it has a phobia of hitting the water . . . something that i guess you get used to but opposite to delta style kites that i have tried before. . .

    the kite flies well through the air and does develop some power on being sined . . . in a few gusts, it showed it is a nice jumper . . . wish the wind was a bit stronger . . . sure it would float well . . .

    i gather it would be a great kite for riding swell or waves . . . it follows well in light airs and will turn very very quickly with some good bar input . . . very simple to loop this kite . . .

    i found that i was basically riding with my hands in the centre . . . which i like anyway . . . but the bar seemed a little large or maybe it was the fact that it felt a little slippery that made me feel that i was not getting a good grip when wet. . . the fancy white inserts in the foam covering look good but feel awful under the finger tips and will for sure end up peeling out . . . this bar already has a hint of that . . .

    i used the 10 on the 23+3m extensions . . .

    i can't say i am a fan of 3 pulleys on each wingtip . . . having said that, i gather some of its turning ability is due to that setup . . . maybe even helps with the depower stroke but i would not know . . .

    am curious why they have opted for the split front lines up near the kite rather than run the 2 front lines from just above the trim adjuster . . . possibly due to the safety running through a small hole in the trim loop . . . i think the split up near the kite may cause the kite to be more reactive if not a touch more hypo . . . but again i don't really know . . .

    would i buy one?

    not sure if i can get used to its desire to want to go up to Zenith all the time . . . maybe it was my settings but i think it is in the character of the kite . . . i certainly like a stable kite but not sure i like this feature . . .

    don't like the lack of adjustment options on the lines . . . but this is no biggy as it can be so easily alterred so that it does have adjustment . . . . i think the manual says to tie the lines up to an anchor point and pull hard to get them even . . .

    i have to thank the guys here for this Demo program . . . so important to try gear and see if it suits your personal riding preference before buying . . .

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    SoutherlyBuster

    Posted

    Nice write up Max.

    Going back to the lines not the same length and stretching, it seems strange to me that after such little use the kite system has developed this fault. There are several knot adjustment points on this kite, much more than on the previous Synergy and even more so compared to the Venom II. Just wonder whether these were checked to ensure the left hand side was set up the same as the right hand side?

    As for the autozenith Max, it is a Peter Lynn arc thing. Slippery bar, yes I thought the same, the Synergy bar is more grippy.

    Regards,

    Norman.

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    max_

    Posted

    Nice write up Max.

    Going back to the lines not the same length and stretching, it seems strange to me that after such little use the kite system has developed this fault. There are several knot adjustment points on this kite, much more than on the previous Synergy and even more so compared to the Venom II. Just wonder whether these were checked to ensure the left hand side was set up the same as the right hand side?

    As for the autozenith Max, it is a Peter Lynn arc thing. Slippery bar, yes I thought the same, the Synergy bar is more grippy.

    Regards,

    Norman.

    hi Norman,

    i am not sure how much use it had before i got the kite . . . Goz (Jamie) might have an idea . . . maybe the guy who had it was a kiteloop demon on one side :dontknow:

    actually, Goz said he had checked the kite lines etc and all good so he knew that the bar lines would be out . . . one rear was out by about 2 inches . . . one front by about 1 cm . . .

    there are heaps of adjustment points on the wingtip bridles but i feel it is better if the lines are even on the bar so that it can be used with any other kite . . .

    as for the auto zenith, it was almost painful trying to get someone to grab the wingtip for me so i could land the kite . . . had to fly the kite directly to the guy with some momentum or else it would start its vertical ascent before they could grab it . . . serious auto zenith feature on the edge of the window :)

    again i am new to this feature . . . so maybe it was just me . . . not used to it . . .

    any feedback/suggestions would be great . . . i have the kite for another week . . .

    i tried the kite on my own 4 line bar with free running front line safety . . . to me, it felt less hypo than with the split front line that is much closer to the kite . . . but i didn't really get a chance for a good comparison as the wind was dropping off by then . . .

    was considering this kite for a water/snow kite but not so sure now . . .

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