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On ‎12‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 1:50 PM, BigTone said:

Looks like a more 'standard' single skin design. Hope they work better than the MK1 longstars. Ill wait for reviews before committing this time.

I wouldn't touch them with a barg pole.The kite of yours I flew was the worst kite I have ever flown, It was truly terrible. The guy is obviously building and selling stuff without enough R&D to ensure that the product works properly. Not cool at all. I'd rather buy a pansh!

I'd wait for several gerenations to come out and be reviewed before even thinking about looking at them if I were you.

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Hmm interesting, it is a twin skin in places or a two wing or front inlet jet what ever you like to call it. It is a bit like what fly surfer did except flysurfer put the jet flap near the trailing edge. Looks like a bit of flow recirculation happening at the leading edge, are they perhaps trying to prevent flow separation on the top surface?

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1 hour ago, SoutherlyBuster said:

Hmm interesting, it is a twin skin in places or a two wing or front inlet jet what ever you like to call it. It is a bit like what fly surfer did except flysurfer put the jet flap near the trailing edge. Looks like a bit of flow recirculation happening at the leading edge, are they perhaps trying to prevent flow separation on the top surface?

  It's all single skin - it 'rolls over' a little at the nose which is held in place by ribs - I'll try and get some more detailed photos up.

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22 hours ago, plummet said:

stuff without enough R&D

The LongStar-2 looks great, a lot of R&D included.

Read the first official judgment of the Kite magazine "KITE & friends". You can find it under the vid on YouTube.  

.... promising!

 

 

 

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On 12/30/2016 at 7:10 AM, plummet said:

I wouldn't touch them with a barg pole.The kite of yours I flew was the worst kite I have ever flown, It was truly terrible. The guy is obviously building and selling stuff without enough R&D to ensure that the product works properly. Not cool at all. I'd rather buy a pansh!

I'd wait for several gerenations to come out and be reviewed before even thinking about looking at them if I were you.

I also have a full set of Nasa stars, and they are brilliant kites. The mistake was jumping in and buying a full set of longstars the day they came out. I realy respect what Steffen does, and he is a really nice guy as well. Sometimes innovation doesnt work, but id rather people try stuff than just do the same thing in new colours every year. Imagine if no one ever thought "lets drill holes in the log before burning it"... :grin:

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On 12/30/2016 at 5:10 AM, plummet said:

The kite of yours I flew was the worst kite I have ever flown, It was truly terrible.

The first hour of flying the LongStar V1 - I would probably have agreed with you.  It took me some time to get used to it and get the best out of it - but it shouldn't take that long and it would certainly put a lot of people off.  LongStar V2 is a completely different kite.  I have had terrible wind conditions so far for flying, but I have a few pics of the V2...

It's a 4.5 front line safety setup..

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I'll admit its a lot better. But still miles and miles away from the likes of a flysurfer peak quality and technology.

10 hours ago, BigTone said:

I also have a full set of Nasa stars, and they are brilliant kites. The mistake was jumping in and buying a full set of longstars the day they came out. I realy respect what Steffen does, and he is a really nice guy as well. Sometimes innovation doesnt work, but id rather people try stuff than just do the same thing in new colours every year. Imagine if no one ever thought "lets drill holes in the log before burning it"... :grin:

Yes. I'm all for innovation. But drill 50 holes in 50 logs and get the technology sorted before you bring it to market and sell them not functioning properly!

And for those of you wondering why we are talking logs........ turbo log!

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35 minutes ago, plummet said:

But still miles and miles away from the likes of a flysurfer peak quality and technology.

That seems unfair....unless you've actually got one and making those comments from experience??   I can't see anything on the kite that says the quality is 'miles and miles' away from Flysurfer.  Born Kite's quality in general is fine - materials are good, stitching is excellent.  I have both the LS2 and the Peak 2 - the P2 is perhaps a little more 'complex' to my eye, but quality doesn't seem any better or worse.  The Flysurfer bar certainly feels nicer, but you can buy the LS2 kite only and use whatever bar you like.

As soon as conditions are good, I'll get some idea of how it flies and when I'm at Kingston, anyone who is interested can give it a whirl and we'll all find out if it stacks up against it's competition.  It's not a 'cheap' kite (neither price nor quality as far as I can see) so it will need to perform and justify it's price.

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57 minutes ago, .Joel said:

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A fifth line that is attached separately to the harness and then splices into one of the front lines further up - release to the fifth line and kite flags out on the left (I think) front line.    I've probably called it the wrong thing - I thought I'd heard it called a 4.5 line setup.  Or is that a std FLS?  It works well and didn't end up in a mess.

Managed a 15 minute maiden voyage this evening.  Kite was very well behaved, sat at the top of the window without fuss but I could send it out of the window if I tried - so hopefully that translates into good upwind.  Good power and the depower seemed pretty smooth and progressive.  Moderate turn speed and light bar pressure.  Some light flutter in the trailing edge when depowered - although I didn't have any depower pulled on the cam cleat.  Stalled ok on the brake lines to bring it down. No binding of the power lines when turning the bar.  No sign of any 'idiosyncrasies'  or weird behavior in light and variable wind.  If the wind hangs around I'll see if I can talk the 'photographer' into some photos later this evening :D

Forget all about the V1 LongStar - this is a totally different kettle of fish.

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The wind did, if fact, hang around so I managed another evening session and my better half very kindly consented to taking some photos which I've put in the gallery

The LS2 flies very nicely and holds a very smooth profile when powered up.  As the bar is let out, the tension goes out of the belly and trailing edge of the sail reducing the power quite nicely.  Doesn't quite spin on a wingtip but is not far off.  All indications so far suggest this is going to be a bloody good kite.  Need to get it to a beach...:D

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5 hours ago, jhn.holgate said:

That seems unfair....unless you've actually got one and making those comments from experience??   I can't see anything on the kite that says the quality is 'miles and miles' away from Flysurfer.  Born Kite's quality in general is fine - materials are good, stitching is excellent.  I have both the LS2 and the Peak 2 - the P2 is perhaps a little more 'complex' to my eye, but quality doesn't seem any better or worse.  The Flysurfer bar certainly feels nicer, but you can buy the LS2 kite only and use whatever bar you like.

As soon as conditions are good, I'll get some idea of how it flies and when I'm at Kingston, anyone who is interested can give it a whirl and we'll all find out if it stacks up against it's competition.  It's not a 'cheap' kite (neither price nor quality as far as I can see) so it will need to perform and justify it's price.

The kite shape, the attachment points of the bridles, way too many bridles, no cross bracing. Its a leap backwards compared to the peak. I can't see any mind blowing new technology. That is my opinion based on the video and pictures.  I still stand by my initial statement. The original kite was horrific and shouldn't have been bought to market at that stage. Several versions of this model would need to be released and positively reviewed before I would even consider owning one.

 

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3 hours ago, jhn.holgate said:

The wind did, if fact, hang around so I managed another evening session and my better half very kindly consented to taking some photos which I've put in the gallery

The LS2 flies very nicely and holds a very smooth profile when powered up.  As the bar is let out, the tension goes out of the belly and trailing edge of the sail reducing the power quite nicely.  Doesn't quite spin on a wingtip but is not far off.  All indications so far suggest this is going to be a bloody good kite.  Need to get it to a beach...:D

Very kind indeed of your bride to continuously indulge in your whims and fancies. That's a keeper that one. I particularly liked the shots of the kite in still frame and the background in motion. Great action shots!

She is looking like a fine kite but I continue to be spooked by the sheer abundance of bridling.  What a potential rats nest!  Hopefully your beach getaway will happen for you soon. We await with baited breath. 

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31 minutes ago, speed rider said:

In the German kite forum you can read, the peak 2 has 198 bridles and the LongStar 2 only 182 brildes.

Amazingly, the peak 2 flies with so much linen!

Thanks for that clarification. I own a full quiver of Peak2s and have found their bridling a bit of a pain in the seat meat as well. I appreciate the need for this abundance of "linen" as you put it to provide structure under wind load without the second skin and baffling. Price one pays I suppose.

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10 hours ago, plummet said:

The kite shape,

As you've made that judgement on the pics....here's another couple of pics for you...

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Can you honestly tell me that the Peak 2 holds a better shape than the LS2 in flight?  Why on earth do you think the Peak 2 got called a 'hamburger wrapper'??  And keep in mind, I really, really like my Peak 2 but as mentioned in my review, it does not look particularly 'aerodynamic or sleek'.

10 hours ago, plummet said:

way too many bridles,

It has LESS BRIDLES than the Peak 2.

10 hours ago, plummet said:

no cross bracing.

er...isn't that a good thing?  that it doesn't need cross bracing?

10 hours ago, plummet said:

Its a leap backwards compared to the peak.

How the frack is it 'backwards'??  

10 hours ago, plummet said:

I can't see any mind blowing new technology.

No argument there, I don't see any 'new tech' either.

Sure there are a lot of bridles and I could say the same thing about the NS2's and 3's and the original LongStar and also the Peaks.  In several thousand km's of flying the NS2's, I have only had one bad bridle snarl that took me a long time to unpick.  But I wouldn't want to drop any of these kites into a pile of dry seaweed.

7 hours ago, windstruck said:

Hopefully your beach getaway will happen for you soon. We await with baited breath. 

You and me both!

 

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I saw on facebook / BORN-KITE this video.
Attention peculiar music!

It shows the optional safety expansion for all Long Star-2 sizes.
This safety function (FAS = front area safety) should only responsible for fold together this kites, is not the depower-function.

 

 

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On 03/01/2017 at 6:40 AM, BigTone said:

All single skins tend to have lots of bridles,

Not all.....

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the safety on the longstar 2 looks like it works exactly the same as the new flysurfer peak 3. They call it a front reef line

From about 4:30 

 

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First day on the beach with the Longstar2 was pretty successful. :D Left both myself and Tiger37 with a smile on our face and a speed of 62kph for Trev. This is an excellent kite and is performing really well.  Have some good pics and videos and hope to get a lot more.  Trev and myself will put our heads together and get a thorough write up done when we're back. 

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